Breaking News: Raiders acquire Carson Palmer- Starts Sunday?

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MrMojo112
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Yahoo Sports' Jason Cole reports that the Raiders began "trying hard" as of Sunday night to trade for Carson Palmer.

A source tells Cole that he "highly doubts" owner Mike Brown will budge, but Hue Jackson hasn't given up just yet. Jackson was the Bengals' wide receivers coach from 2004-2006, during some of Palmer's best years. Citing a source familiar with the Raiders' thinking, Cole reports that Oakland "hit the phones quickly" after Sunday's win over the Browns. One major stumbling block is the fact that the Raiders don't have second-, third-, or fourth-round picks in 2012. Cole suggests the Raiders offer a third-rounder in 2013 that could increase to a second- or even first-rounder depending on Palmer's performance.

http://rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/2168 ... son-palmer

Dave
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Carson would be a huge addition- an experienced QB with a great arm. We would certainly be more of a deep threat if we're able to land him.

FightOnRon
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Gosh ,,how would me, an SC fan and USC STH feel about this,,,doing the happy feet dance. To this day I think Carson had more meddle then any of our recent guys,,,Sanchez,Leinart etc,,,and to see him wearing the shield would seal the deal,,,,I am heading to Oakland for a game. Haven't been there in 3 years,,it's time.

WatchTheSkyFall24
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I like this idea.

MrMojo112
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Raiders acquired QB Carson Palmer from the Bengals in exchange for a first-round pick in 2012 and a conditional first-round pick in 2013.

For once, owner Mike Brown's stubbornness paid off. The Bengals land a king's ransom for a player that was essentially no longer part of their organization. Palmer is now reunited with Hue Jackson, who was an assistant in Cincy from 2004-06. Although Palmer's arm strength and mobility declined sharply in his final days with the Bengals, he'll be an immediate and significant upgrade on Kyle Boller. It also means that Jason Campbell, set to become a free agent after this season, is likely gone. Palmer's name is worth more than his game, but he is on the QB2 radar and will keep afloat the current value of Darrius Heyward-Bey and Denarius Moore. The Raiders play the Chiefs this week, before a Week 8 bye. Expect the offense to remain decidedly run-heavy.

http://rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/2169 ... -1st-rders

2 first round picks??? Holy crap. That is way too much. I was thinking it would have been Michael Bush and maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick but two 1st rounders? Oh wow.

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FightOnRon, Nice to see you in the Black Hole. I agree with MrMojo, no matter how good Palmer might be, two first rounders is a great deal for the Bengals for a player who hasn't even shown up this year in a uniform. I think during the negotiaitions, we blinked first and it costed us dearly.

http://nfl.si.com/2011/10/18/raiders-sn ... m-bengals/

FightOnRon
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Well me personally,,I love this. My favorite USC QB has come to my favorite NFL team. I think Carson will suprise many,,I think he has a lot left in the tank. Besides, this is the EXACT type of trade AL would have made,,,exactly. Bring in the aged vet and resurect him.

BTW,,the 2nd pick is only if we make the post season anyway.

I ALMOST,,,but not quite,,feel sorry for Kyle. But com'on,,,,JUST WIN BABY !!!!!!

MrMojo112
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Well I have some good news.

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For Carson Palmer, Raiders will compensate Bengals with their first-round choice in 2012 draft and their second-round choice in 2013 draft.

http://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter

So it's a 2013 2nd round pick, not a 1st. That's better.

Also, Palmer signing his new contract:

Dave
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Great news! He is going to be great for the team. The price was heavy though. Apparently the the 2013 second rounder can become a first round pick if the Raiders win a playoff game this season- very conceivable now that Carson is on board.

I wonder if this is a brand new multi-year contract Carson is signing? If so what are the terms?

WatchTheSkyFall24
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Well apparently the 2013 pick is conditional, if the Raiders make the playoffs and win a game the second round pick turns into a first round pick.

MrMojo112
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Yeah you guys are right. If they win a game in the playoffs, it turns into a 1st round pick.

Also for those interested, Palmer's press conference will be on Sportscenter at 4pm PST.

Dave
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Do you guys think if Al were still alive he would have OK'ed this trade?

FightOnRon
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@Dave,,,,this is the exact kind of trade AL would have done. The type of trade that if it works,,it will remind us of the Rich Gannon,,or in my case the Jim Plunkett trade. Guys that no one would really want but they resurrected themselves and played great for the Raiders (superbowl maybe?). Also ,,,and I hate to be Debbie Downer,, but the kind of trade that could turn into a Jay Schroeder (sp?) but in Plamer's case,,hurt by trying too hard (and he will). If it works, Hue will be a genius,,if not, well AL won't getting the blame for this one.

I gotta tell you guys I have been an SC fan for just about as along as I have been a Raider fan,,over 40 years (a little longer for SC). Carson was always one of my top favorite SC players. I am so hoping this really works,,and Carson's elbow and knees hold up. He has no speed whatsoever so our O-line has to play like champions to make this deal work.

Maybe I am just looking at this deal from Cardinal/Gold/Silver/Black glasses,,but I am pumped.

MrMojo112
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Dave wrote:
Do you guys think if Al were still alive he would have OK'ed this trade?

I don't think he would pull the trigger on this trade. Campbell is his guy and he rescued him from the Skins. I don't think that he would have undercut him like this by bringing in a new long term (hopefully) QB. I think that the Raiders would have just ended up with Boller or maybe brought Trent Edwards back and waited for Campbell to heal and return, which I'm hearing would be around Week 12 or 13.

This whole Palmer trade is based on the whole theme of "win one for Al." It's definitely a 'win right now' move. I'm sure the Raiders want to go deep into the playoffs and dedicate the rest of the season to Al Davis.

MrMojo112
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Dave wrote:
Do you guys think if Al were still alive he would have OK'ed this trade?

I don't think he would pull the trigger on this trade. Campbell is his guy and he rescued him from the Skins. I don't think that he would have undercut him like this by bringing in a new long term (hopefully) QB. I think that the Raiders would have just ended up with Boller or maybe brought Trent Edwards back and waited for Campbell to heal and return, which I'm hearing would be around Week 12 or 13.

This whole Palmer trade is based on the whole theme of "win one for Al." It's definitely a 'win right now' move. I'm sure the Raiders want to go deep into the playoffs and dedicate the rest of the season to Al Davis.

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Yeah it's interesting to see what happens if Campbell does come back sooner than expected. At that point it probably depends on if Palmer is performing well and if so he would keep the starting job. Campbell probably won't be too thrilled.

FightOnRon
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Info from the SFGATE on our new starter,,,and may I add,,yikes!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 1LJM93.DTL

In what is one of the worst-kept secrets going, the Raiders are going to show Sunday that a man can go from hanging out at the beach to starting an NFL game at quarterback a week later.

Carson Palmer, who was killing time in Los Angeles for the first third of the season, will start for the Raiders against the Chiefs, team and league sources said Wednesday.

Earlier in the day, Oakland offensive coordinator Al Saunders told a Kansas City radio station that Palmer would be starting Sunday "as long as he's breathing."

BraveRaider
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If you want to pout a couple of things on your worry list, add these two. One, Palmer was a former Pro Bowl QB 3-4 years ago. The last two years he didn't play all that well and threw a lot of interceptions. He was particularly not effective on downfield passes. He rating was horrible. Now, you have to know that he had two injuries over the last two years and one of them was and elbow (surgury I think). He is suppose to be heatlhy now.

Secondly, he is rusty. And we must remember how long it took Jason Campbell to get comfortable here. It could be that throwing him into the fray to qukcly could be counter productive. As much as I want to see him play, Boller might be the better choice to start. In the last quarter, if we have a 2 touchdown lead, then we can put him to shake off the rust. After that we have a Bye week. That would give him tow more weeks to get prepared for the next game. just thinking. What do you think?

MrMojo112
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Can't put all of those INTs on Palmer either. ESPN did a report last year on how most of Palmer's interceptions came off from his WRs misreading defenses and freelancing. I am however worried about how rusty he is. But who better to start him against than the Chiefs? They have a terrible pass rush and we need to start getting him ready for the Chargers. I hope this pans out well.

FightOnRon
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I would have to surmise we are going to really just push the run game, throw a couple of low risk passes and perhaps air it out once or twice. Nothing too deep. we do have to remember Hue and Carson know each other and Hue knows what Carson can do. It think the key is the o-line, Carson is not mobile but if they can keep him safe this should work out.

Raiders win.

Dave
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^^Yeah I think you're right Ron- the strategy is most likely run first, run a lot, and mix in some low-risk passes here and there. I'd be surprised if Carson get more than 20 attempts throwing.

BraveRaider
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They will now have to respect our passing. Being able to throw, and throw effectively, just sets up the run even more. If TO comes to the Raiders, it creates even more problems for opposing teams and RunDMC will have field day. Also, with TO on the field, getting his ususal share of attention, just makes it easier to throw to DJB, Ford, and whoever else we have on the field at the time. Having more offensive weapons available makes everything work better. Who are you going to stop. The opposing defenses will not be able to stop everybody. We are going to break through.

MrMojo112
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Well Al Saunders said that Palmer will be starting as long as he is breathing...so I think that's a yes.


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